If You're Talking, You're Not Selling
- Michael Bates
- May 5
- 4 min read
Think back to your last meeting with a district administrator. Who did most of the talking? You talked about your product, how it helps students, and what makes it different from what the district uses now. The administrator listened, asked a few polite questions, and you left feeling like it went well.
But ask yourself this: Did you learn anything new about the district in that meeting? Did the administrator share something you didn't already know? Did they talk about what's really happening with their teachers, their students, or their budget? Did they describe what success would look like in their own words?
If not, it wasn't really a conversation. It was more like a presentation with a few questions added in.
Defending vs. Discovering: What's the Difference?
When you meet with a district administrator, two things can happen. You might defend your product, or you might try to learn about their situation. These feel very different to the administrator and lead to different results.
When you defend, the meeting is all about your product. You explain features, answer questions, and try to show how your product fits the district's needs. You do most of the talking, while the administrator mostly reacts instead of sharing their own thoughts.
When you focus on discovery, the meeting is about the district. You ask questions, and the administrator does most of the talking. They share their challenges, priorities, past efforts, and goals. You listen, and when you speak, it's usually to ask a follow-up question or to confirm what you heard.
This difference might seem small, but it changes how the meeting goes and what happens next.
Why Defending Feels Productive—But Isn't
Defending feels good because you're in control. You know your product inside and out, so talking about it is comfortable. When the administrator asks something, you have an answer. When they raise a concern, you can respond. You leave the meeting feeling confident.
But from the administrator's point of view, they just sat through a 45-minute meeting about someone else's product. They didn't get to explain what's really happening in their district. They didn't feel like you cared about their situation. Now, when the next vendor comes in and asks better questions, you're already at a disadvantage.
Defending your product doesn't build a relationship. It just puts your product on display. Administrators aren't looking for the best presentation—they want someone who understands their problems.
What Discovery Really Sounds Like
A discovery conversation feels different right from the start. Instead of talking about your product first, you begin by focusing on the district.
"I've done some research on your district, and I'd like to understand more about what you're working on. Can you tell me about the challenges your team is facing right now?"
That single question changes the whole dynamic. The administrator starts sharing what's really happening. Each question you ask after that goes deeper into their world, not back to your product.
"How is this affecting your teachers' day-to-day?"
"What have you tried before to address this?"
"What would a successful outcome look like from your perspective?"
"What concerns do you think your team might have about trying something new?"
Notice that none of these questions mention your product—they're all about the district. As the administrator answers, two things happen. You learn more about their situation, which helps you later. And the administrator starts to trust you because you care about their problems, not just your product.
When you finally talk about your solution—and you should, just not right away—it's tied to everything the administrator shared. It's not a generic presentation anymore. It's a response to their real situation. That's the kind of conversation that leads to real partnerships.
The Question Most Founders are Afraid to Ask
There's a reason founders often stick to defending. Discovery means being okay with not knowing all the answers. When you ask an open-ended question, you can't predict where the conversation will go. The administrator might mention something unexpected, a problem your product can't solve, or a bad experience with a past vendor that makes them cautious.
All of that feels risky. It's easier to stay in control and talk about what you know.
But here's what I've learned: the conversations that feel the most uncomfortable at the beginning are the ones that lead to the strongest relationships. When an administrator shares something they weren't planning to share — a concern about their team, a past failure, or pressure from the board — that's when the relationship begins. Not when you show them a feature they like, but when they trust you enough to be honest.
That's what discovery is all about—making space for the administrator to share what's really happening. Most founders haven't learned how to do this yet.
How this Connects to Everything Else
When you focus on discovery instead of defense, the rest of the sales process becomes easier. Your proposal matches what the administrator actually told you, so it doesn't feel generic. The value is clear because you linked your solution to their real problems. And when it's time for a decision, the administrator who trusts you will make your case internally.
When you defend your product, the whole sale depends on your presentation. When you discover the district's situation, you share that weight through a real relationship. One approach is fragile; the other is strong.
Making this Real
If you're reading this and recognizing that your district meetings have been more defending than discovering, you're not alone. This is the most common pattern I see with the founders I work with. And it's one of the first things we address in the EdTech Impact Accelerator.
The program starts June 1. Each founder brings a real deal from their pipeline and applies the methodology to it throughout the course. If your meetings feel productive but your deals aren't moving, this could be why—and it's something you can change.
If you want to talk about what your district conversations look like right now, send me a message. I'd like to hear about your experience.



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